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We hear lots about how Brown is doing well in the polls, and that a snap autumn is getting increasingly likely. But at the same time the SNP is undergoing what seems to be a massive revival, largely at Labour's expense, in Scotland and the SNP influence in Wales is increasing. Scotland and Wales have always been strong Labour country, indeed they would win no elections without them. If this regional heartland is now being eroded by the nationalists, are the polls actually painting an inaccurate picture? Will losses to the SNP make the difference in a Westminster election?

And just what will happen about Scottish independence?
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posted by [identity profile] sbisson.livejournal.com at 08:55pm on 14/08/2007
I suspect an Autumn election is unlikely - Labour is in the hole by £24M, and has to repay £3.5M of loans by the end of October.

The Tories are doing much better financially at the moment...
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posted by [personal profile] matgb at 09:17pm on 14/08/2007
Welsh/Scots nats vote can definitely be linked to an anti-Labour tendency; opposition parties gain support to 'get the bastards out', but no bugger over either border is going to vote Tory.

In a way, the Tories in Wales and Scotland would be better of going for Independence, they could dump the Westminster lunacy and remake themselves as proper right of centre european style CDs or similar, instead of a bunch of headbangers in search of a policy.

But, at Westminster, if El Gordo didn't get an overall majority due to loss of LAbour seats to Nats, he'd still be able to govern; they'd back his policies rahter than give the Tories power, and he could negotiate a few key points, probably more power to the devolved assemblies, in order to shore that up a lot.

Scots Independence is incredibly unlikely; I'd love to see a referencdum, because it could put the issue to bed for 20 years or so, the vote would be no, a big chunk of SNP voters aren't in favour of actual independence after all.
 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 10:03pm on 14/08/2007
Without the Scott/Welsh labour seats I think the sensible part of the westminster conservative party would be able to ditch the loonies, who have too large an influence in much the same way that militant did on Labour when it was out of power for so long. If there was a guaranteed tory majority for an english parliament then the party could afford to fight the fights that are needed.

As to what happens if Gordo gets a minority government, it's the LibDems who will hold the greatest influence, and will hopefully sink such labour lunacies as ID cards and the assault on civil liberties. They might even be able to arrange a sensible voting system.

Meanwhile it should be noted that 'proper right of centre european style CDs' have plenty of nutters in them, you just don't get to see them in the UK that much. Look at some of the coverage of Italian or German CDs and you'll see they're just as scary, if not more so, as tory headcases.
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posted by [personal profile] matgb at 10:14pm on 14/08/2007
Oh aye, agreed, but they also have a proper constitutional structure and actual votes on policy (like the LibDems do and Labour pretends to), the Tories are still surprised when they can't just 'suggest' things like the Dyke candidacy and have Ming agree automatically.

As for the hopes of a Lib Dem coalition? Yup, obviously, but weirder things may happen, besides, Ming needs to seriously up his game if that's going to have a chance.
 
posted by [identity profile] psycho-machia.livejournal.com at 10:52am on 15/08/2007
I agree that the Scots are unlikely to go for full independence but they may ask for more powers to the parliement in a referendum. it all depends on how the referendum is worded.

I was a bit pissed of at a BBC news report last night that claimed that during the last referendum the Scots had turned down independance. That's not true the question of Independance was not on the referendum; it was purely whether we wanted a parliement and whether it should have limited tax raising powers. But then again what else would you expect from the London Broadcasting Corporation!
 
posted by [identity profile] time-freak.livejournal.com at 10:45am on 23/08/2007
Sorry to post this in a random post but, thanks for chatting to me last night :-) Sorry if i was being a bit strange.... but i'm usually a bit strange! x
 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 10:52am on 23/08/2007
No worries!

Knowing lots of SF people, writers and scientists I've got used to strange :-)

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