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posted by [personal profile] purplecthulhu at 03:26pm on 16/01/2004
BBC news is reporting that the new Bush space plan will lead to the abandonment of future servicing missions to Hubble. This means no WFPC3 and no COS (that's Wide Field & Planetary Camera 3, and the Cosmic Origins Spectrograph). These were both due to be launched on the next shuttle servicing flight. The BBC reports that the new plan will lead to HST becoming useless in 5 years which is probably coded for 'we'll shut it down in 5 years to save money'.

Quite where this will leave US astronomy, which gets a load of funding via HST, or where it leaves other NASA missions is unclear.

What is clear is that this new Bush plan is already affecting science. When congress fails to give it extra funding, as they failed to give Daddy's Mars plan funding, where will NASA be left then?

I have a feeling this is going to be the beginning of the end of NASA.

Where that leaves joint NASA/ESA projects, such as the Planck and Herschel satellites that I'm working on, is unclear, but it is rather worrying. People involved in earth observation missions should probably be even more worried, and should probably think about moving to Europe.

The BBC news article is available here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3405249.stm
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posted by [identity profile] overconvergent.livejournal.com at 05:52pm on 16/01/2004
Gore made a big speech a few days ago saying that we should focus on Earth's problems rather than space. While I agree with his basic thrust, what this actually means is "cut the space program and spend the money on something else". Also, some satellites have radioactive material on board and Radioactivity Is Bad.

I guess that neither the Greens nor the Libertarians look like a safe pair of hands for the space program to me. The Greens have loads of other projects to spend the money on, and the Libertarians don't believe in government spending at all. Only the corrupt special interests of the two big parties can save us now ...

To quote from an email I send some other guy:

The Republicans like the idea of the Mars mission because it means big aerospace contracts for Big Business. The Democrats like the idea of Mars science because this means lots of university research money. Plus there are non-partisan issues of pork for important swing states.

Maybe the best hope is the Chinese space program. The thought of being out-competed by the Chinese might persuade the American taxpayers to subsidise expensive vanity/prestige projects like Space Science.
 
posted by [identity profile] pmcray.livejournal.com at 03:51am on 17/01/2004
When was the HST orginally planned to be shutdown before this announcement? And when was/is it planned to launch the 2nd Generation space telescope?
 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 04:03pm on 17/01/2004
JWST was originally planned for 2007, nowe its 2012 or later, which means there may be a nasty gap between HST death and JWST operations.

However, JWST is not a replacement for HST. Its an infrared optimised telescope with little optical capability and no UV capability. The UV stuff on HST has been incredibly powerful, and its not something that can be duplicated from the ground since the atmosphere is opaque at these wavelengths. There will thus be a significant loss of capability when HST dies with no prospect for something to replace this capability. Indeed an advanced UV spectrograph COS (cosmic origins spectrograph) was due to be flow to HST on the next servicing mission. I guess it will now be junked.

The p[reviously planned date for HST's retirement has been a subject of controversy. One suggestion is that it should be closed down around the time of JWST's launch, while others see considerable benefits in having the two instruments running at the same time. NASA administrators seem to favour the former, astronomers the latter - unsurprisingly.
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posted by [personal profile] muninnhuginn at 07:31am on 17/01/2004
The bit of coverage that caught my cynical eyes in Thursday's Indy (Bush promises trips to other worlds as he embraces space statement) was:
Others claim the Bush administration's plan is part of a broader effort to militarise space, something envisioned by a series of US administration proposals. Donald Rumsfeld, currently the Defence Secretary, chaired a blue-ribbon space commission that recommended in the spring of 2001 merging air force and space operations into a single body, and the establishment of a "space corps" within the US Air Force by the end of the decade.

Alice Slater, the director of the Global Resource Action Centre for the Environment, said yesterday: "They are not going to fly you to the moon, they are only going to fly military equipment.

"The plan to establish a beach-head, taking the high ground from which to dominate and control the military use of space, is clearly articulated in the documents of the US Space Command. It will create a new arms race to the heavens."

Michelle Ciarrocca of the World Policy Institute, and the author of a report on the Bush administration's missile defence plans, said: "The push to establish a permanent US presence on the moon could be the first step in carrying out the goals outlined by Rumsfeld's space commission.

"No fewer that eight Pentagon contractors were represented on the commission, marking a serious and direct conflict of interest."


It must be very worrying and disheartening for everyone currently working in the entire sector.
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posted by [personal profile] muninnhuginn at 07:02am on 18/01/2004
Missed the Salon article. It and the Washington Post article it references cite the same sources for the Halliburton gen. These seem to be the same as the TomPaine.com piece I read last night (Red Planet Profits). It all seemed entirely credible to the ex-Halliburton employee sat across the room from me.

I do get your point about having to produce something that works due to military requirements. Would other commercial forces were the risk deemed acceptable have a similar effect, I wonder. It just worries me a little that too much military influence, let alone overall control, will squeeze out other interests. (That and a reflexive hostility to the military--but we're all a little at the mercy of our prejudices, aren't we.)
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posted by [identity profile] the-magician.livejournal.com at 07:57pm on 17/01/2004
Bill Roper posted this (http://www.livejournal.com/users/billroper/26633.html) in his livejournal.

Summary: the only scheduled shuttle missions that can't abort/redirect to the ISS if tiles fall off are the hubble missions. Bill argues that the main threat to NASA is another shuttle disaster, so by cutting the Hubble mission it gives a much greater chance of keeping the shuttle flying safely until an alternative is available. He doesn't like abandoning Hubble, but he makes a good point.

I would usually trust him in such matters, but I'd be delighted if anyone with more knowledge could confirm his hypothesis.
 
posted by [identity profile] overconvergent.livejournal.com at 11:47am on 18/01/2004
Someone emailed me the idea that maybe NASA had made the decision to cancel Hubble a few weeks ago and just waited to make the announcement. He said that it is possible that NASA is willing to play petty politics too.

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