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posted by [personal profile] purplecthulhu at 06:19pm on 08/11/2004
This is a glorious rant about the great divide between the red and blue States, and the consequences of the recent US election.

It won't change anybody's mind, it might make some Red Staters angry, but I think there's a lot of truth in it that needs to be said.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/07/blue_state_to_reds/

And while we're at it, one thing that's surprising me about this whole election... As far as I can tell, and my perspective may be wrong since I saw pre-eloection coverage in the UK, but am now seeing post-election coverage in the US, there was very little discussion of actual policies. I'm now seeing reports about Bush policies on social security, pensions, healthcare etc., many of which are quite scary, but I don't think I saw any of these discussed before the election. Its as if the US has voted for personalities, and only after the result is know do we see what policies go along with them.

Am I getting a biased perspective here, or was there really little discussion about policies in the election campaign?

The contrast to a UK general election, where there are explicit manifestos detailing lots and lots of policies, with costings etc etc, couldn't appear more stark...

Meanwhile, while the weather is better, the instrument I'm meant to be using is having a bad day...
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posted by [identity profile] dwagon.livejournal.com at 12:12am on 09/11/2004
I think they did have manifestos beforehand, but those foccused entirely on dealing with 'terror', as oppossed to any concrete policies - somewhat ironic, as its the latter that will most likely have more effect in the long run on most American's lives.
 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 02:34am on 09/11/2004
If they did have manfestos, they don't seem to have payed much attention to them. This report in The Guardian suggests that Bush's great new policy aims are not the most important things for the US people. Which makes it a puzzle why they voted for them if this is what he said he was going to do...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1346642,00.html

So I guess I'm still rather puzzled...
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posted by [personal profile] drplokta at 03:14am on 09/11/2004
There's no point in any election candidate in the US issuing a detailed manifesto, because the checks and balances built into the system mean that they can't possibly implement their manifestoes in any recognisable form.
 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 03:19pm on 09/11/2004
This is certainly true, but they could at least give a clear picture of what they'd like to do, and I'm unsure that even that was done.

Was it clear that Bush would try to, essentially, privatise large parts of social security and medicare before he was elected? If so, then the Democrats missed a huge opportunity for criticising this policy.

Of course it may be that the electorate cares less about policy than personality, but that would be worrying.
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posted by [personal profile] muninnhuginn at 08:38am on 09/11/2004
Well according to this "Popular Fiction", you're about right with the lack of policy discussion beforehand. (As ever the article was pointed out on TomPaine.com, without which I'd miss far too much.)
 
posted by [identity profile] canadian-worm.livejournal.com at 10:15am on 09/11/2004
In many ways, it became a choice between a vote for Bush or a vote for "the other guy". Maybe that works in a "2 party system". It wouldn't work here in Canada because there are typical more than one "other guy".

I think alot of people voted for Kerry because they didn't like what Bush stood for, and then alot of people voted for Bush because they didn't know what Kerry stood for.

Maybe I'm just saying there was a lack of policy just in different words....
 
posted by [identity profile] overconvergent.livejournal.com at 10:54am on 09/11/2004
The parties have things called "party platforms" which are like a weak version of a manifesto - they tend to say "we did this and it's great" but as [livejournal.com profile] drplokta said, in the US political system you *can't* realistically say "we will do X and it will cost $Y" as a Presidential candidate because Congress is likely to re-cost it and change its scope anyway.

The Republican platform contains the following (amongst other things):

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posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 03:20pm on 09/11/2004
So this is a kind of manifesto...

I'd then have to ask how much of what Bush has just announced - on social security, pensions, taxation etc. - was in this?
 
posted by [identity profile] overconvergent.livejournal.com at 01:31am on 10/11/2004
The party platform can be found by going to the Republican website and clicking on "Party Platform". I have no idea what Bush said, but there are sections there on how Social Security needs to be reformed, how the tax code needs reform, etc etc.

The President is reliant on his Congressional allies to get these things through, so any specific proposal is unlikely to make it through unchanged (not all Republicans will have agreed to the party platform, and some Democrats might be willing to sign up to bits of it, so "allies" is not necessarily "Republicans in Congress"). So platforms tend to be somewhat Impressionistic on the details ...

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