posted by
purplecthulhu at 10:33am on 08/06/2005
I'm going to a meeting at the Institute of Physics tonight to discuss how to increase the number of students taking physics at undergraduate level. It occurred to me that getting some candid comments from people who have decided to take a physics degree, or not, might provide some useful input to the discussion.
So, something that is not exactly a poll...
If you've taken, or are taking, a physics degree, why did you choose the subject?
If you took, or are taking, a different subject, why did you choose that? And why that instead of physics?
How aware were you of what physics included while at school? And now?
What made you interested in subjects at school? What influenced your choice of A-levels?
Thanks for all the answers - all comments will be anonymous even if I know who you are IRL.
So, something that is not exactly a poll...
If you've taken, or are taking, a physics degree, why did you choose the subject?
If you took, or are taking, a different subject, why did you choose that? And why that instead of physics?
How aware were you of what physics included while at school? And now?
What made you interested in subjects at school? What influenced your choice of A-levels?
Thanks for all the answers - all comments will be anonymous even if I know who you are IRL.
(no subject)
Having studied physics to A-level, and reading a lot around the subject, I think I was fairly aware of physics. I found my science diary from when I was 10 recently, and I was writing about quarks and chromodynamics at that age!
I had excellent science teachers at all levels, along with librarians who encouraged me to read. I think that's essential...
(no subject)
With hindsight, I might have been better off as an Engineer, as the maths content of University physics was really beyond me. But I was disuaded by the pratical aspect of engineering, as I never enjoyed making physical things.
This is probably why I ended up a software engineer.
(no subject)
My underlying driver was my continuing desire to Understand Stuff. As I've matured, Stuff has widened to include Squishy Stuff.
(no subject)
I loved Maths and Physics at school, despite the rather uninspiring Physics teacher I had for 'O' level. I liked the patterns* in Physics and the fact that there was so little learning--some equations and some laws--and you'd got it cracked. No practical exam too: whilst I rather enjoyed Chemistry practicals, I found them rather daunting. I loathed Biology. It had too few "sums" and seemed somehow less rigorous.
I didn't continue because of the exam system and school organisation: English, French, Maths, Physics didn't fit the timetable (and I'd done enough fighting of the timetable to get through my 'O' levels). Of course, being able to do those, or similar choices, would merely have postponed the inevitable crunch decision.
The degree I took was the easiest route into Oxbridge which is where (for some entirely unknown reason) I'd intended to go from about the age of seven or eight. But I was the only English student I knew who owned a computer--and tried to learn LISP and Prolog.
I think, Biology excepted, I liked all the academic subjects at school when they were challenging enough that I wasn't bored stiff. The strong, not necessarily likable, committed teachers--the ones who'd give you extra work if you got things done fast--helped make some things more interesting. My Physics teacher was boring and unispiring, but thorough. I liked thorough.
I chose 'A' levels a little too much on exam results. I added a new subject, Economics, which was the subject that fitted in instead of Maths or Physics. I also made choices on the assumption that I was heading for a modern languages degree, which I wasn't. My choices at 'A' level did not reflect what I wanted to do beyond university because I refused to think that far ahead, but I don't think I was given a great deal of information on what one did with ones studies for any subject (except for the wonderful survey done just before 'O' level which suggested that I confused the computer and would I like to be a museum administrator or cartographer?)
* Actually that's what I liked full stop: patterns. I liked Maths and Physics because of laws and patterns (Economics, too, come to think of it). I liked learning languages because there were rules of grammar that allowed you to build things up. I liked seeing how the plates moved across the earth over time (maybe that makes it patterns a processes). I enjoyed music because I got to see how the pieces were put together.... I despised the view of my head of English that everyone could write poetry and it was in free verse.
I'm not sure that answers any of your questions properly.
(no subject)
The Institute of Physics did in fact help me to decide not to pursue a scientific career, thanks to their policy of sending their magazine free to all final year undergraduates (Physics Today, is it?) - basically it made me aware of what working in physics would really be like, and I realised that I wanted my life to go in a different direction. In retrospect I wish I'd realised that sooner!
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(no subject)
Consequently, I didn't have the science background needed to get onto a physics course at university. (I'd done maths at sixth form, but not to a high enough level for physics.) It might have been something I would have seriously considered, were it not for the fact I was eminently unqualified to do it. Looked really interesting though.
(no subject)
To be honest, school science didn't get interesting until 4th year, when I discovered that I was good at it. I preferred physics, but found chemistry easier at O-level. At A-level, I discovered that I was good enough at physics to have a credible chance of doing it at university. I loved all science - I did biology as an extra O-level in the 6th form because I thought it would a useful for a budding sf writer to have done. I would have loved to have been able to have had an extra year in the 6th form to do biology and geology A-level (and enginerring science, statistics, computer studies...) I loved the way that science told you how the world *worked*.
University physics was fairly tough, although I was thinking only on Monday night that it was a pity that it wasn't a four year course so that we could have done more of the good stuff (GR, QM, CM). I had wanted to be a scientist since when ever, so a PhD was fairly natural. Of course, now, I wish I had tried to do a astrophysics phD at QMW, but had done neutron scattering at Oxford and then become a rocket scientist in the City. But what did I know then. Not enough.
The problem with trying to make physics more appealling is that the people who like physics will like physics and thus do it. Can others be tempted in? Are there are lots of waverers? Do people say at 16 or 18, I like physics, but I'll do business studies because it will help me get a job? I'd be interested to know. The problem is that most of us LJ people probably are completely untypical in that we were geeks from an early age. How do you make physics appeal to the "cool" kids? I don'yt know. But, of course, historically, lots of cool kids do do science/physics.
(no subject)
My subject was in the liberal arts, primarily involved with writing, and a heavy emphasis on history, geography, sociology. The "instead" of physics was because I wasn't very good at the physics I did do, and felt both it wasn't as much fun, and it wasn't going to give me a good result for the investment of my time and effort. For what it's worth, in my university years, I had the opportunity to follow an interdisciplinary physics course, i.e. not one for professionals, and it was a lot of fun, as well as hard work. But I was rewarded with the "secrets" behind everyday phenomenon like what makes musical sound or how color exists. That was an enriching experience, and if more physics education could have been like that, perhaps... perhaps it could have led me to become more involved with the study.
How aware were you of what physics included while at school? And now?
I'm distinguishing between pre-university and university years, here. I already mentioned the interdisciplinary physics class (don't call it "physics for poets" unless that is a very common name, as I think that could identify the comment right off). I learned my school had a basic physics course, and took it in a misguided attempt to connect with one of my family. (Call that desperation.) It was an eye-opener, because while I stressed over algebraic equations that were sort of the "language" of the study, there was a lot more "nuts and bolts" than I'd realized. (The stress was entirely self-generated: apparently I wasn't All That Bad with the necessary math... but I was ignorant of that, at the time.) The second, university-level class clinched it for me - there was a lot of coolness, if only I could keep focussed long enough to perceive it. The trick was keeping focussed and I didn't seem very good at that. The professor was very helpful and supportive, so I don't know what else could have been done to get us to continue, if he was trying to recruit future physicists.
What made you interested in subjects at school? What influenced your choice of A-levels?
(With some fudging since my schooling didn't speak "A-levels") Generally I enjoyed the topics I performed well at, but also seemed happier to work hard on the humanities courses, language, art, history and the like. "Connection" would probably be the organizing principle, connection to the outside world, to my experience of it, explanations.
Fantasy: a cross-over class, sort of a history of science lecture followed immediately by the laboratory encounter to illustrate whatever principle had figured in that day's lecture. Who's that guy who does the science lectures every Christmas? (Someone around you probably hates him, actually.) That sort of thing is very engaging, although I'm still left with a "what do I do with this?" feeling.
Crazy(and full of natter)Soph
(no subject)
My final subject choices were based entirely around what I found interesting to study and who I found it congenial to study with as I had no clue about what I wanted to do career wise - still don't.
My university study options were partly a follow on from what I was best at in the last years of school and a dose of luck that allowed me to enter a drama studies degree programme that was only two years old that piqued my interest and promised to teach me some much needed self confidence. (Bet I'm not all that annonymous now huh?) If I could have taken a science subject in combinatin with it without having the final school exam pre-requisite I probably would have and it may well have been physics as by then I had worked out that that included astrophysics but no dice.
(no subject)
i liked maths and science
doulble maths at a-lelvel put me off doing a maths degree.
i still enjoyed physics so i did that.
first year of my degree put me off physics :)
i still enjoy the big ideas its just the annoyign maths which pissed me off.
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I took it at school because I was interested in science, and Physics was always regarded as 'harder' than Chemistry and Biology (which were kind of looked down on at my school).
I have sidestepped into the education sector because I'm not actually very good at the highly mathematical and esoteric phsyics required for high level degree work and find a lot of in conceptually interesting but procedurally boring, and much prefer the simpler stuff. And some contact with human beings.
Possibly not the kind of answers you'll be looking for, but honest at least.