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I'm going to a meeting at the Institute of Physics tonight to discuss how to increase the number of students taking physics at undergraduate level. It occurred to me that getting some candid comments from people who have decided to take a physics degree, or not, might provide some useful input to the discussion.

So, something that is not exactly a poll...

If you've taken, or are taking, a physics degree, why did you choose the subject?

If you took, or are taking, a different subject, why did you choose that? And why that instead of physics?

How aware were you of what physics included while at school? And now?

What made you interested in subjects at school? What influenced your choice of A-levels?

Thanks for all the answers - all comments will be anonymous even if I know who you are IRL.
Mood:: 'curious' curious
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posted by [identity profile] sbisson.livejournal.com at 09:59am on 08/06/2005
I took two degrees in electrical and electronic engineering. While interested in physics from an early age (and I still am), I found the specialising in electronics far more attractive.

Having studied physics to A-level, and reading a lot around the subject, I think I was fairly aware of physics. I found my science diary from when I was 10 recently, and I was writing about quarks and chromodynamics at that age!

I had excellent science teachers at all levels, along with librarians who encouraged me to read. I think that's essential...

 
posted by [identity profile] vicarage.livejournal.com at 10:50am on 08/06/2005
I got hooked on physics at age 12. It was always the obvious choice at school being interested in how thinks worked. At A level I was neutral about maths but grew to hate Chemistry.

With hindsight, I might have been better off as an Engineer, as the maths content of University physics was really beyond me. But I was disuaded by the pratical aspect of engineering, as I never enjoyed making physical things.

This is probably why I ended up a software engineer.

 
posted by [identity profile] purpletigron.livejournal.com at 11:19am on 08/06/2005
I was originally fascinated by maths - apparently, I was enraptured by OU programmes as a tot. A friend of my father introduced me to astronomy when I was around 6, whilst we were still living under reasonably dark rural skies. I remained hooked on astronomy and maths, but became aware of 'physics' on joining secondary school. I read everything available in the school and town libraries, and by 14 I wanted to be a particle astrophysicist. My careers adviser thought that a 'physicist' was a medical doctor...

My underlying driver was my continuing desire to Understand Stuff. As I've matured, Stuff has widened to include Squishy Stuff.
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posted by [personal profile] muninnhuginn at 11:59am on 08/06/2005
Okay. So I grew up reading Physics Bulletin: the pretty covers always sucked me in even if the contents boggled me). But then my Dad was a professional physicist. I read New Scientist as well--still do. Living next door to a large nuclear site does rather focus the mind on matters scientific and in nuclear physics in particular. I wonder how much interest I'd have taken if we'd not been shown around on our own guided tour of the site. Or if my mother hadn't studied OU science when I was little (all those afternoons building molecules, the map of the mid-Atlantic trench on the wall: these things make an impression when you're at junior school).

I loved Maths and Physics at school, despite the rather uninspiring Physics teacher I had for 'O' level. I liked the patterns* in Physics and the fact that there was so little learning--some equations and some laws--and you'd got it cracked. No practical exam too: whilst I rather enjoyed Chemistry practicals, I found them rather daunting. I loathed Biology. It had too few "sums" and seemed somehow less rigorous.

I didn't continue because of the exam system and school organisation: English, French, Maths, Physics didn't fit the timetable (and I'd done enough fighting of the timetable to get through my 'O' levels). Of course, being able to do those, or similar choices, would merely have postponed the inevitable crunch decision.

The degree I took was the easiest route into Oxbridge which is where (for some entirely unknown reason) I'd intended to go from about the age of seven or eight. But I was the only English student I knew who owned a computer--and tried to learn LISP and Prolog.

I think, Biology excepted, I liked all the academic subjects at school when they were challenging enough that I wasn't bored stiff. The strong, not necessarily likable, committed teachers--the ones who'd give you extra work if you got things done fast--helped make some things more interesting. My Physics teacher was boring and unispiring, but thorough. I liked thorough.

I chose 'A' levels a little too much on exam results. I added a new subject, Economics, which was the subject that fitted in instead of Maths or Physics. I also made choices on the assumption that I was heading for a modern languages degree, which I wasn't. My choices at 'A' level did not reflect what I wanted to do beyond university because I refused to think that far ahead, but I don't think I was given a great deal of information on what one did with ones studies for any subject (except for the wonderful survey done just before 'O' level which suggested that I confused the computer and would I like to be a museum administrator or cartographer?)

* Actually that's what I liked full stop: patterns. I liked Maths and Physics because of laws and patterns (Economics, too, come to think of it). I liked learning languages because there were rules of grammar that allowed you to build things up. I liked seeing how the plates moved across the earth over time (maybe that makes it patterns a processes). I enjoyed music because I got to see how the pieces were put together.... I despised the view of my head of English that everyone could write poetry and it was in free verse.

I'm not sure that answers any of your questions properly.
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posted by [personal profile] nwhyte at 12:11pm on 08/06/2005
For me, the answer to most of those questions is more or less, "because I was interested in it at the time".

The Institute of Physics did in fact help me to decide not to pursue a scientific career, thanks to their policy of sending their magazine free to all final year undergraduates (Physics Today, is it?) - basically it made me aware of what working in physics would really be like, and I realised that I wanted my life to go in a different direction. In retrospect I wish I'd realised that sooner!
 
posted by [identity profile] vicarage.livejournal.com at 12:27pm on 08/06/2005
I felt the same way about Physics Today. It showed research wasn't for me, so its a good, if peverse, way of narrowing the pyramid
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posted by [identity profile] beamjockey.livejournal.com at 04:01pm on 08/06/2005
Physics World is the IOP zine; Physics Today comes to you from the American Institute of Physics.
 
posted by [identity profile] greengolux.livejournal.com at 12:27pm on 08/06/2005
I had one science option at sixth form and actually opted to take physics. However, someone got the paperwork mixed up and I ended up being registered to do biology instead. My thought at the time was: "physics, biology, whatever, it's all interesting" so I just stuck with the timetable they'd given me. I didn't want to take a second science subject (i.e. physics as well as biology) because I wanted to keep a breadth of subjects and didn't want to end up specialising that early.

Consequently, I didn't have the science background needed to get onto a physics course at university. (I'd done maths at sixth form, but not to a high enough level for physics.) It might have been something I would have seriously considered, were it not for the fact I was eminently unqualified to do it. Looked really interesting though.
 
posted by [identity profile] pmcray.livejournal.com at 12:57pm on 08/06/2005
I was fascinated by space/astronomy/science from an early age - Tomorrow's World, when it was good in the 1970s, Horizon, James Burke. I remember being bought "The Young Astronomer's Handbook" for Christmas in 1977. A superb survey of the universe, it influenced me profoundly. At primary school, the highlight of the year was the Open Evening at the secondary school - ah, the science labs, the Periodic Tables, the smell. I still love the smell of chemistry labs.

To be honest, school science didn't get interesting until 4th year, when I discovered that I was good at it. I preferred physics, but found chemistry easier at O-level. At A-level, I discovered that I was good enough at physics to have a credible chance of doing it at university. I loved all science - I did biology as an extra O-level in the 6th form because I thought it would a useful for a budding sf writer to have done. I would have loved to have been able to have had an extra year in the 6th form to do biology and geology A-level (and enginerring science, statistics, computer studies...) I loved the way that science told you how the world *worked*.

University physics was fairly tough, although I was thinking only on Monday night that it was a pity that it wasn't a four year course so that we could have done more of the good stuff (GR, QM, CM). I had wanted to be a scientist since when ever, so a PhD was fairly natural. Of course, now, I wish I had tried to do a astrophysics phD at QMW, but had done neutron scattering at Oxford and then become a rocket scientist in the City. But what did I know then. Not enough.

The problem with trying to make physics more appealling is that the people who like physics will like physics and thus do it. Can others be tempted in? Are there are lots of waverers? Do people say at 16 or 18, I like physics, but I'll do business studies because it will help me get a job? I'd be interested to know. The problem is that most of us LJ people probably are completely untypical in that we were geeks from an early age. How do you make physics appeal to the "cool" kids? I don'yt know. But, of course, historically, lots of cool kids do do science/physics.
 
posted by [identity profile] crazysoph.livejournal.com at 01:24pm on 08/06/2005
If you took, or are taking, a different subject, why did you choose that? And why that instead of physics?
My subject was in the liberal arts, primarily involved with writing, and a heavy emphasis on history, geography, sociology. The "instead" of physics was because I wasn't very good at the physics I did do, and felt both it wasn't as much fun, and it wasn't going to give me a good result for the investment of my time and effort. For what it's worth, in my university years, I had the opportunity to follow an interdisciplinary physics course, i.e. not one for professionals, and it was a lot of fun, as well as hard work. But I was rewarded with the "secrets" behind everyday phenomenon like what makes musical sound or how color exists. That was an enriching experience, and if more physics education could have been like that, perhaps... perhaps it could have led me to become more involved with the study.

How aware were you of what physics included while at school? And now?
I'm distinguishing between pre-university and university years, here. I already mentioned the interdisciplinary physics class (don't call it "physics for poets" unless that is a very common name, as I think that could identify the comment right off). I learned my school had a basic physics course, and took it in a misguided attempt to connect with one of my family. (Call that desperation.) It was an eye-opener, because while I stressed over algebraic equations that were sort of the "language" of the study, there was a lot more "nuts and bolts" than I'd realized. (The stress was entirely self-generated: apparently I wasn't All That Bad with the necessary math... but I was ignorant of that, at the time.) The second, university-level class clinched it for me - there was a lot of coolness, if only I could keep focussed long enough to perceive it. The trick was keeping focussed and I didn't seem very good at that. The professor was very helpful and supportive, so I don't know what else could have been done to get us to continue, if he was trying to recruit future physicists.

What made you interested in subjects at school? What influenced your choice of A-levels?
(With some fudging since my schooling didn't speak "A-levels") Generally I enjoyed the topics I performed well at, but also seemed happier to work hard on the humanities courses, language, art, history and the like. "Connection" would probably be the organizing principle, connection to the outside world, to my experience of it, explanations.

Fantasy: a cross-over class, sort of a history of science lecture followed immediately by the laboratory encounter to illustrate whatever principle had figured in that day's lecture. Who's that guy who does the science lectures every Christmas? (Someone around you probably hates him, actually.) That sort of thing is very engaging, although I'm still left with a "what do I do with this?" feeling.

Crazy(and full of natter)Soph
 
posted by [identity profile] sammywol.livejournal.com at 02:38pm on 08/06/2005
Changing schools killed my budding science career. I went to a Middle School with an excellent science teacher and was really keen on science. I was also keen on other things but was sighting up for physics and chemistry in late rlife. Then I changed to a school where science was taught by a sweet moron of a biology specialist who managed to lose me on how the electroscope worked. Offputting. And I knew that if I persevered with physics for my final exams I would get taught by the psychotic, violent teacher (though he was apparently very good if you didn't mind learning in fear). As I was also interested in other things than science I switched tracks to a pure arts (humanities/languages) track and bye bye physics along with the rest of the sciences. It is one of my biggest regrets though I did not feel it until years later.

My final subject choices were based entirely around what I found interesting to study and who I found it congenial to study with as I had no clue about what I wanted to do career wise - still don't.

My university study options were partly a follow on from what I was best at in the last years of school and a dose of luck that allowed me to enter a drama studies degree programme that was only two years old that piqued my interest and promised to teach me some much needed self confidence. (Bet I'm not all that annonymous now huh?) If I could have taken a science subject in combinatin with it without having the final school exam pre-requisite I probably would have and it may well have been physics as by then I had worked out that that included astrophysics but no dice.
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posted by [personal profile] bob at 03:41pm on 08/06/2005
>If you've taken, or are taking, a physics degree, why did you choose the subject?

i liked maths and science
doulble maths at a-lelvel put me off doing a maths degree.
i still enjoyed physics so i did that.
first year of my degree put me off physics :)

i still enjoy the big ideas its just the annoyign maths which pissed me off.
 
posted by [identity profile] karne-k.livejournal.com at 03:43pm on 08/06/2005
I loved physics at A level (and still like the subject as an observer) but it seemed to me that the more you got into university physics, the less hands-on lab work you were able to do (it all turned to maths). Physics seemed to be more about advanced engineering or theory, than novel discovery or investigation. Hence I moved into chemistry as a stepping stone into biological chemistry.
 
posted by [identity profile] gaspodog.livejournal.com at 07:40pm on 08/06/2005
I was pretty much equally interested in all the subjects I did at A Level (English, French, Maths, Physics). I have to admit I took Physics at Imperial because Physics was one of the courses with the highest results required for entry that I was even vaguely interested in and I was pretty sure I was going to get As. And I didn't get into Cambridge.

I took it at school because I was interested in science, and Physics was always regarded as 'harder' than Chemistry and Biology (which were kind of looked down on at my school).

I have sidestepped into the education sector because I'm not actually very good at the highly mathematical and esoteric phsyics required for high level degree work and find a lot of in conceptually interesting but procedurally boring, and much prefer the simpler stuff. And some contact with human beings.

Possibly not the kind of answers you'll be looking for, but honest at least.

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