posted by
purplecthulhu at 10:57am on 29/08/2005
[Modified from a comment posted elsewhere]
As many of you know, I fly quite a lot. One of the most annoying things on long haul flights is being stuck in 'mewling and puking' class with upset children. It seems that the effects of altitude and air travel, especially extended air travel, on infants is quite poorly researched. What evidence there is suggests there is cause for worry, so the decision to take young children on planes should not be made lightly.
See for example BMJ 1998;316:874-875 ( 21 March ) (British Medical Journal):
'Until further information suggests otherwise, when trekking in a remote setting a conservative approach would be to sleep no higher than 2000 m for children aged under 2 and no higher than 3000 m for children aged 2-10 years. High treks are no place for little children.'
Parkins et al. BMJ 1998;316:887-894 ( 21 March )
'Exposure to airway hypoxia similar to that experienced during air travel or on holiday at high altitude may be harmful to some infants. '
and in the followup comments on that paper by James:
'The infants in the study were exposed to hypoxia for only six hours, but many flights last for over 12 hours. The current maximum cabin altitude for commercial aircraft of 2438 metres derives from the introduction of the jet engine and cabin pressurisation when flight durations were limited. Although living at high altitude is associated with an increased capillary density in the brain and other organs, this acclimatisation to hypoxia takes several weeks.
There is a trend in aircraft manufacture to use a higher cabin altitude, and flight durations of over 12 hours are common. The upper limit of 2438 metres, established many years ago, needs to be revised. The risks that are associated with the hypoxia that some newborn infants and adults experience while flying need to be investigated.'
There's also a more recent review of the current state of knowledge in this area (Archives of Disease in Childhood 2004;89:448-455) which concludes:
'Recent recommendations for children included advice to start descent immediately in any child who becomes unwell above 2500 m. Because of the risks of subacute infantile mountain sickness, it was also recommended that children under 2 should sleep no higher than 2000 m, and children 2–10 years, no higher than 3000 m. In addition, travellers should be aware of the underlying illnesses that increase susceptibility to hypoxia related problems'
This review also notes: 'Air flight regulations require aircraft travel with maximum cabin altitudes of about 2440 m, although a study that measured in-flight cabin altitudes on 204 aircraft flights found the median altitude was 1894 m (6214 feet), with a maximum of 2717 m (8915 feet). It was noted that newer generation aircraft flew at higher altitudes than older aircraft, with a greater risk of altitude exposure to passengers.'
Since children under 2 regularly sleep on planes at an effective altitude higher than 2000m this should be cause for concern, especially since there is little chance for immediate decent during a long haul flight.
I should also add my own experience at Mauna Kea where I know of children and infants getting severe acute altitude sickness after rapid travel from sea level to altitude. The specific danger for an infant is that they can't describe the symptoms and allow a speedy diagnosis of altitude sickness. All they can do is cry and shriek and vomit, and these can easily be mistaken for the symptoms of lack of sleep, meal disruption, temper or of more minor, though still incredibly painful, effects such as pressure imbalance in the ears. You do know you have a problem when, as happened at Mauna Kea, the infant turns blue, and there may already have been damage done by that point. You may still have damage done even without such obvious symptoms. This is where the research needs to be done.
My own summary of the above papers is that taking infants on planes exposes them to currently unknown levels of risk, and should be avoided.
As many of you know, I fly quite a lot. One of the most annoying things on long haul flights is being stuck in 'mewling and puking' class with upset children. It seems that the effects of altitude and air travel, especially extended air travel, on infants is quite poorly researched. What evidence there is suggests there is cause for worry, so the decision to take young children on planes should not be made lightly.
See for example BMJ 1998;316:874-875 ( 21 March ) (British Medical Journal):
'Until further information suggests otherwise, when trekking in a remote setting a conservative approach would be to sleep no higher than 2000 m for children aged under 2 and no higher than 3000 m for children aged 2-10 years. High treks are no place for little children.'
Parkins et al. BMJ 1998;316:887-894 ( 21 March )
'Exposure to airway hypoxia similar to that experienced during air travel or on holiday at high altitude may be harmful to some infants. '
and in the followup comments on that paper by James:
'The infants in the study were exposed to hypoxia for only six hours, but many flights last for over 12 hours. The current maximum cabin altitude for commercial aircraft of 2438 metres derives from the introduction of the jet engine and cabin pressurisation when flight durations were limited. Although living at high altitude is associated with an increased capillary density in the brain and other organs, this acclimatisation to hypoxia takes several weeks.
There is a trend in aircraft manufacture to use a higher cabin altitude, and flight durations of over 12 hours are common. The upper limit of 2438 metres, established many years ago, needs to be revised. The risks that are associated with the hypoxia that some newborn infants and adults experience while flying need to be investigated.'
There's also a more recent review of the current state of knowledge in this area (Archives of Disease in Childhood 2004;89:448-455) which concludes:
'Recent recommendations for children included advice to start descent immediately in any child who becomes unwell above 2500 m. Because of the risks of subacute infantile mountain sickness, it was also recommended that children under 2 should sleep no higher than 2000 m, and children 2–10 years, no higher than 3000 m. In addition, travellers should be aware of the underlying illnesses that increase susceptibility to hypoxia related problems'
This review also notes: 'Air flight regulations require aircraft travel with maximum cabin altitudes of about 2440 m, although a study that measured in-flight cabin altitudes on 204 aircraft flights found the median altitude was 1894 m (6214 feet), with a maximum of 2717 m (8915 feet). It was noted that newer generation aircraft flew at higher altitudes than older aircraft, with a greater risk of altitude exposure to passengers.'
Since children under 2 regularly sleep on planes at an effective altitude higher than 2000m this should be cause for concern, especially since there is little chance for immediate decent during a long haul flight.
I should also add my own experience at Mauna Kea where I know of children and infants getting severe acute altitude sickness after rapid travel from sea level to altitude. The specific danger for an infant is that they can't describe the symptoms and allow a speedy diagnosis of altitude sickness. All they can do is cry and shriek and vomit, and these can easily be mistaken for the symptoms of lack of sleep, meal disruption, temper or of more minor, though still incredibly painful, effects such as pressure imbalance in the ears. You do know you have a problem when, as happened at Mauna Kea, the infant turns blue, and there may already have been damage done by that point. You may still have damage done even without such obvious symptoms. This is where the research needs to be done.
My own summary of the above papers is that taking infants on planes exposes them to currently unknown levels of risk, and should be avoided.
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Remember, airlines are very averse to any risk that exposes them to the prospect of litigation. What we may see, if such research is followed up (which it should be) is airlines - US-owned ones in particular - actually going the other way and becoming very reluctant to fly children, in the same way as they already are for pregnant women or people with certain health conditions.
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The most recent reference to 'economy class syndrome' on BBC news online states 'Airlines have strongly denied any link between DVT and flying'.
An earlier class action suit against BA was thrown out of the high court. The report on this sattes that 'A spokesman for BA had said it would resist any claims against it, in the context of advice given by the government and the World Health Organisation that no specific link between flying and DVT had been established.' A similar case in Australia, though, was successful, so the legal opinion seems confused even if the airlines are clear in rejecting the idea.
See:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2957608.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2594989.stm
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But does this mean that newer aircraft fly at greater altitudes (irrelevant to the phenomena being considered) or with lower cabin pressures (thoroughly relevant)?
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The higher they fly, of course, the more fuel is needed to maintain pressure, so there's plenty of reason for them to want to go to lower cabin pressures for more modern, higher flying, aircraft...
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A related medical concern that could also affect the vulnerable (including children) is the very low relative humidity in an airliner cabin. Stratospheric air is, by definition, very dry, and even with partial recirculation of cabin air (after filtering) the humidity can be 5-15% or so - very dry indeed my most standards.
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Airplane cabins are pretty hostile environments. The ill, infirm, and infants should probably avoid them.
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Noise cancelling headphones help, but only go so far...
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While it doesn't block out the sound of a crying child completely, it makes it more.... tolerable.
I don't leave home without them.
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What the Hell was a baby doing up Maua Kea? Bit young to have any observer time surely?
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Locals who'd seen it had been snowing and thought it would be good to take the whole family up to see the snow. They had a little skid on the ice after ignoring the warnings, pranged the car, and were stuck until rescued by rangers and operators. None of them was in a particularly good state, and it wasn't as if the baby was going to be able to appreciate the snow properly.
People can be idiots.
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Like watching the American mother at the Tower of London, ignoring all the signs in multiple languages saying "Do not feed/touch/interfer with the Ravens" handing her two year old a sandwich and encouraging her to feed the birdie. Birdie was sitting on a sign that clearly said the Ravens were not pets and should not be feed under any circumstances as they were agressive.
Birdie swiped and ripped the toddler from wrist to elbow. Cue Mommy screaming about sueing the Tower for allowing dangerous wild animals to hurt her precious baby and demanding the vicious bird be destroyed immediately
Cue Beefeater, who had been walking over to stop Baby from feeding the birdies and saw the whole thing, to inform American Mommy that Britain still had the death penalty for treason and that killing the Ravens in the Tower still constituted treason. Chances of British Court allowing a) Raven to be killed and b) Tower to be sued a hell of a lot less likely than c) Court deciding is in the National interest to deport Mommy forthwith.
Mommy then started screaming about her 'rights as an Amurican Citizen under the Constitution' - was politely explained that a little triffle refered to as the American War of Independence meant that, whilst in the United Kingdom, she was subject to a different law and her Constitutional Rights did not apply here. Getting arrested for breaking the law did, which included the law about not Endangering Children.
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it certainly exposes them to the unquantifiable risk of being clouted by my copy of cryptonomicon / god-milkman of dune / sherlock holmes omnibus / etc. if they get fractious in my vicinity.
Tom