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posted by [personal profile] purplecthulhu at 10:57am on 29/08/2005
[Modified from a comment posted elsewhere]

As many of you know, I fly quite a lot. One of the most annoying things on long haul flights is being stuck in 'mewling and puking' class with upset children. It seems that the effects of altitude and air travel, especially extended air travel, on infants is quite poorly researched. What evidence there is suggests there is cause for worry, so the decision to take young children on planes should not be made lightly.


See for example BMJ 1998;316:874-875 ( 21 March ) (British Medical Journal):

'Until further information suggests otherwise, when trekking in a remote setting a conservative approach would be to sleep no higher than 2000 m for children aged under 2 and no higher than 3000 m for children aged 2-10 years. High treks are no place for little children.'

Parkins et al. BMJ 1998;316:887-894 ( 21 March )

'Exposure to airway hypoxia similar to that experienced during air travel or on holiday at high altitude may be harmful to some infants. '

and in the followup comments on that paper by James:

'The infants in the study were exposed to hypoxia for only six hours, but many flights last for over 12 hours. The current maximum cabin altitude for commercial aircraft of 2438 metres derives from the introduction of the jet engine and cabin pressurisation when flight durations were limited. Although living at high altitude is associated with an increased capillary density in the brain and other organs, this acclimatisation to hypoxia takes several weeks.

There is a trend in aircraft manufacture to use a higher cabin altitude, and flight durations of over 12 hours are common. The upper limit of 2438 metres, established many years ago, needs to be revised. The risks that are associated with the hypoxia that some newborn infants and adults experience while flying need to be investigated.'

There's also a more recent review of the current state of knowledge in this area (Archives of Disease in Childhood 2004;89:448-455) which concludes:

'Recent recommendations for children included advice to start descent immediately in any child who becomes unwell above 2500 m. Because of the risks of subacute infantile mountain sickness, it was also recommended that children under 2 should sleep no higher than 2000 m, and children 2–10 years, no higher than 3000 m. In addition, travellers should be aware of the underlying illnesses that increase susceptibility to hypoxia related problems'

This review also notes: 'Air flight regulations require aircraft travel with maximum cabin altitudes of about 2440 m, although a study that measured in-flight cabin altitudes on 204 aircraft flights found the median altitude was 1894 m (6214 feet), with a maximum of 2717 m (8915 feet). It was noted that newer generation aircraft flew at higher altitudes than older aircraft, with a greater risk of altitude exposure to passengers.'

Since children under 2 regularly sleep on planes at an effective altitude higher than 2000m this should be cause for concern, especially since there is little chance for immediate decent during a long haul flight.

I should also add my own experience at Mauna Kea where I know of children and infants getting severe acute altitude sickness after rapid travel from sea level to altitude. The specific danger for an infant is that they can't describe the symptoms and allow a speedy diagnosis of altitude sickness. All they can do is cry and shriek and vomit, and these can easily be mistaken for the symptoms of lack of sleep, meal disruption, temper or of more minor, though still incredibly painful, effects such as pressure imbalance in the ears. You do know you have a problem when, as happened at Mauna Kea, the infant turns blue, and there may already have been damage done by that point. You may still have damage done even without such obvious symptoms. This is where the research needs to be done.


My own summary of the above papers is that taking infants on planes exposes them to currently unknown levels of risk, and should be avoided.
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posted by [identity profile] purpletigron.livejournal.com at 10:09am on 29/08/2005
My take on this is that scientific evidence of increased health problems due to air travel will discourage paying passengers, so the airline industry would rather no one knew about it.
 
posted by [identity profile] major-clanger.livejournal.com at 10:22am on 29/08/2005
Well, if that was the case the airlines would be trying to deny the existence of DVT, rather than giving everyone advice on how to avoid it.

Remember, airlines are very averse to any risk that exposes them to the prospect of litigation. What we may see, if such research is followed up (which it should be) is airlines - US-owned ones in particular - actually going the other way and becoming very reluctant to fly children, in the same way as they already are for pregnant women or people with certain health conditions.
 
posted by [identity profile] purpletigron.livejournal.com at 10:39am on 29/08/2005
I think we're agreeing - it all comes down to where plausible deniability ends for legal purposes. My impression is that the airlines ignored DVT for some time, and still down-play the risks. Pregnant women are also a much less significant group of potential passenbers than 'people accompanied by children under 5'.
 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 10:49am on 29/08/2005
Actually, it seems that they are denying it...

The most recent reference to 'economy class syndrome' on BBC news online states 'Airlines have strongly denied any link between DVT and flying'.

An earlier class action suit against BA was thrown out of the high court. The report on this sattes that 'A spokesman for BA had said it would resist any claims against it, in the context of advice given by the government and the World Health Organisation that no specific link between flying and DVT had been established.' A similar case in Australia, though, was successful, so the legal opinion seems confused even if the airlines are clear in rejecting the idea.

See:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2957608.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2594989.stm
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posted by [personal profile] timill at 10:28am on 29/08/2005
It was noted that newer generation aircraft flew at higher altitudes than older aircraft, with a greater risk of altitude exposure to passengers.

But does this mean that newer aircraft fly at greater altitudes (irrelevant to the phenomena being considered) or with lower cabin pressures (thoroughly relevant)?
 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 10:38am on 29/08/2005
That was not clear in the original paper, I have to say.

The higher they fly, of course, the more fuel is needed to maintain pressure, so there's plenty of reason for them to want to go to lower cabin pressures for more modern, higher flying, aircraft...
 
posted by [identity profile] major-clanger.livejournal.com at 10:52am on 29/08/2005
There are drivers in both directions. Higher cabin pressure results in more fuel use, as the engines have to work slightly harder (cabin air is drawn from the engine compressor stage). However, it also reduces metal fatigue arising from pressurization cycles, and cuts the likelihood of altitude-related medical problems.

A related medical concern that could also affect the vulnerable (including children) is the very low relative humidity in an airliner cabin. Stratospheric air is, by definition, very dry, and even with partial recirculation of cabin air (after filtering) the humidity can be 5-15% or so - very dry indeed my most standards.
 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 10:55am on 29/08/2005
I certainly agree with you on humidity being an issue. I have suffered from nose-bleeds on planes anmd at altitude as a result of very dry conditions. There's also the issue of air recycling and the spread of infectious diseases. That'll be fun if/when bird flu goes airborne in humans!

Airplane cabins are pretty hostile environments. The ill, infirm, and infants should probably avoid them.
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posted by [personal profile] timill at 12:00pm on 29/08/2005
Which makes me think they've only got evidence of the first, whilst trying to imply the second...
 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 12:03pm on 29/08/2005
I think it just means it was badly written and thought through, or was messed about by the paper's referee...
 
posted by [identity profile] mevennen.livejournal.com at 11:44am on 29/08/2005
Actually the main risk to mewling infants comes from enraged SF writers who sit for 6 hours planning to wrench the child from its mother's arms and drop kick it through the escape hatch.
 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 12:01pm on 29/08/2005
There was one time I was boarding a plane with a mewling infant in front of me, when I swear the flight attendant looked at me and said 'A pillow for the child?' I had visions of being offered the option of smothering the thing at some point in the flight until I realised she was actually speaking to the mother.

Noise cancelling headphones help, but only go so far...
 
posted by [identity profile] chilperic.livejournal.com at 01:46pm on 29/08/2005
Not just SF writers, but SF readers too...!
 
posted by [identity profile] velochicdunord.livejournal.com at 03:28pm on 29/08/2005
Were you travelling with your earplugs?

While it doesn't block out the sound of a crying child completely, it makes it more.... tolerable.

I don't leave home without them.

 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 03:39pm on 29/08/2005
Always, and noise cancelling headphones. But they only go so far.
 
posted by [identity profile] sammywol.livejournal.com at 04:51pm on 29/08/2005
Speaking as the parent of a mewler (though blessedly not a puker) on a recent sequence of flights I cannot understand parents who voluntarily subject their offspring to long haul flights before they at least have the verbal skills to articulate the concept 'my ears hurt!'. Short hop flights are bad enough. Of course some kids are a dream to travel with, others are a nightmare, and you don't know which one you have until they have been field tested, not that is any consolation to those who have to listen to the experiment being conducted of course.

What the Hell was a baby doing up Maua Kea? Bit young to have any observer time surely?
 
posted by [identity profile] purplecthulhu.livejournal.com at 04:54pm on 29/08/2005
What the Hell was a baby doing up Maua Kea? Bit young to have any observer time surely?

Locals who'd seen it had been snowing and thought it would be good to take the whole family up to see the snow. They had a little skid on the ice after ignoring the warnings, pranged the car, and were stuck until rescued by rangers and operators. None of them was in a particularly good state, and it wasn't as if the baby was going to be able to appreciate the snow properly.

People can be idiots.
 
posted by [identity profile] sammywol.livejournal.com at 08:16am on 30/08/2005
People can be idiots. Oh yeah! I remember that day with you and [personal profile] purpletigron at St Fagans watching loving parents dangling their one year old over the wild boars' fence so it could stroke the cute piggies. Not even funny enough to be a Darwin award.
 
posted by [identity profile] anthraxia.livejournal.com at 11:40pm on 30/08/2005
Mmm, parental idiocy.
Like watching the American mother at the Tower of London, ignoring all the signs in multiple languages saying "Do not feed/touch/interfer with the Ravens" handing her two year old a sandwich and encouraging her to feed the birdie. Birdie was sitting on a sign that clearly said the Ravens were not pets and should not be feed under any circumstances as they were agressive.
Birdie swiped and ripped the toddler from wrist to elbow. Cue Mommy screaming about sueing the Tower for allowing dangerous wild animals to hurt her precious baby and demanding the vicious bird be destroyed immediately
Cue Beefeater, who had been walking over to stop Baby from feeding the birdies and saw the whole thing, to inform American Mommy that Britain still had the death penalty for treason and that killing the Ravens in the Tower still constituted treason. Chances of British Court allowing a) Raven to be killed and b) Tower to be sued a hell of a lot less likely than c) Court deciding is in the National interest to deport Mommy forthwith.
Mommy then started screaming about her 'rights as an Amurican Citizen under the Constitution' - was politely explained that a little triffle refered to as the American War of Independence meant that, whilst in the United Kingdom, she was subject to a different law and her Constitutional Rights did not apply here. Getting arrested for breaking the law did, which included the law about not Endangering Children.
 
posted by [identity profile] sammywol.livejournal.com at 08:33am on 31/08/2005
Oh poetic! Poor kid though. I love the treason argument, and the 'little trifle' part too. I bet the beefeaters have a lot of practice with this argument though, so they should be good at it by now.
 
posted by (anonymous) at 05:30am on 30/08/2005
> taking infants on planes exposes them to currently unknown levels of risk, and should be avoided.

it certainly exposes them to the unquantifiable risk of being clouted by my copy of cryptonomicon / god-milkman of dune / sherlock holmes omnibus / etc. if they get fractious in my vicinity.

Tom

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